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	<title>Comments on: Wiccan Ordination and Ministry</title>
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	<description>The voice of a witch</description>
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		<title>By: Morninghawk</title>
		<link>http://hawkscry.org/2008/01/wiccan-ordination-and-ministry/comment-page-1/#comment-727</link>
		<dc:creator>Morninghawk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Apr 2011 19:02:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to disagree. The Wiccan religion is but a mere 60 years old and its core institutional structures are still very much in flux. As a comparison, it took about 200 years before Christianity stabilized its institution (admittedly through suppression of dissent and destruction of competing ideas) and that stability broke down centuries later.

There are many self-initiated Wiccans and solitary Wiccans. There are also as many varieties of structure as there are Wiccan groups (or covens, churches, circles, etc.). All of the forms and titles are valid in the eyes of the Gods, the measuring stick I use.

I also have to disagree with your statement that prison chaplains cannot be labeled as Wiccan, but are merely Pagan. The US Government, along with all the states I&#039;m familiar with, recognize Wicca as a religion. This is in the prisons, military and other institutions. They do not recognize Paganism as a religion, since it is a group of related religions and not a religion unto itself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to disagree. The Wiccan religion is but a mere 60 years old and its core institutional structures are still very much in flux. As a comparison, it took about 200 years before Christianity stabilized its institution (admittedly through suppression of dissent and destruction of competing ideas) and that stability broke down centuries later.</p>
<p>There are many self-initiated Wiccans and solitary Wiccans. There are also as many varieties of structure as there are Wiccan groups (or covens, churches, circles, etc.). All of the forms and titles are valid in the eyes of the Gods, the measuring stick I use.</p>
<p>I also have to disagree with your statement that prison chaplains cannot be labeled as Wiccan, but are merely Pagan. The US Government, along with all the states I&#8217;m familiar with, recognize Wicca as a religion. This is in the prisons, military and other institutions. They do not recognize Paganism as a religion, since it is a group of related religions and not a religion unto itself.</p>
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		<title>By: Halloolay</title>
		<link>http://hawkscry.org/2008/01/wiccan-ordination-and-ministry/comment-page-1/#comment-726</link>
		<dc:creator>Halloolay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Apr 2011 08:58:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>for the purposes of ministry and prison chaplaincy there are Pagan - not Wiccan - chaplains, or a persons own High Priest or High Priestess if they are initiated or affiliated with a coven.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>for the purposes of ministry and prison chaplaincy there are Pagan &#8211; not Wiccan &#8211; chaplains, or a persons own High Priest or High Priestess if they are initiated or affiliated with a coven.</p>
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		<title>By: Halloolay</title>
		<link>http://hawkscry.org/2008/01/wiccan-ordination-and-ministry/comment-page-1/#comment-725</link>
		<dc:creator>Halloolay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Apr 2011 08:53:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>there are no Wiccan churches, there are covens, and then you must be initiated into one. if its not initiatory and coven based, its not Wicca.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>there are no Wiccan churches, there are covens, and then you must be initiated into one. if its not initiatory and coven based, its not Wicca.</p>
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		<title>By: Rusty Shaver</title>
		<link>http://hawkscry.org/2008/01/wiccan-ordination-and-ministry/comment-page-1/#comment-723</link>
		<dc:creator>Rusty Shaver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Mar 2011 13:31:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am interested in becoming a clergy of the Wiccan religion in order to as you said &quot;be a voice for the the Wiccan/Pagan people&quot;. I am in NC and do not know of any Wiccan churches here who may be able to help with this. can u make a suggestion. Thanks and Blessed Be Brother</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am interested in becoming a clergy of the Wiccan religion in order to as you said &#8220;be a voice for the the Wiccan/Pagan people&#8221;. I am in NC and do not know of any Wiccan churches here who may be able to help with this. can u make a suggestion. Thanks and Blessed Be Brother</p>
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		<title>By: Morninghawk</title>
		<link>http://hawkscry.org/2008/01/wiccan-ordination-and-ministry/comment-page-1/#comment-697</link>
		<dc:creator>Morninghawk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Sep 2010 19:01:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your thoughtful contribution, Dave. I&#039;d like to clear something up for you which you seem to not understand. Wicca sees the deliberate injury and killing of sacrificial animals (including lambs and human martyrs) as being evil, as we believe in not harming others, including other humans and animals. Though I disagree with you, I respect your belief in sacrificing lambs and humans. In turn, I ask that you respect our beliefs in self-empowering magic that doesn&#039;t harm others as well. May your God bless you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your thoughtful contribution, Dave. I&#8217;d like to clear something up for you which you seem to not understand. Wicca sees the deliberate injury and killing of sacrificial animals (including lambs and human martyrs) as being evil, as we believe in not harming others, including other humans and animals. Though I disagree with you, I respect your belief in sacrificing lambs and humans. In turn, I ask that you respect our beliefs in self-empowering magic that doesn&#8217;t harm others as well. May your God bless you.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://hawkscry.org/2008/01/wiccan-ordination-and-ministry/comment-page-1/#comment-696</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Sep 2010 18:27:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Father God, in the name of Jesus Christ, we bind and break all witchcraft, curses, spells, and powers - and through the Blood of the Lamb - destroy the works of every witch, warlock, wizard, sorcerer and all other powers of darkness.
Through the Blood of Jesus Christ we break all their powers - including the influences of witchcraft, evil powers, spells, hexes, vexes, voodoo, hoodoo, roots, potions or any such things - off every person who will read this. For them also we invoke Psalm 80:18, &quot;so we will not go back from thee: quicken us and we will call upon thy name&quot; so that those who read this will understand, remember and apply consistently what they read.
Through the Blood of Jesus Christ we also bind up and destroy all their spirit-guides, helps, and shields of these workers of evil, and leave them without any strength - stripped of their evil power and influence.
In the name of Jesus Christ, and by the Blood of the Lamb, we now seal up their powers within themselves, so that they cannot use them on anyone, and that their works might be destroyed, in the hope that their souls might be saved for the glory of God. AMEN.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Father God, in the name of Jesus Christ, we bind and break all witchcraft, curses, spells, and powers &#8211; and through the Blood of the Lamb &#8211; destroy the works of every witch, warlock, wizard, sorcerer and all other powers of darkness.<br />
Through the Blood of Jesus Christ we break all their powers &#8211; including the influences of witchcraft, evil powers, spells, hexes, vexes, voodoo, hoodoo, roots, potions or any such things &#8211; off every person who will read this. For them also we invoke Psalm 80:18, &#8220;so we will not go back from thee: quicken us and we will call upon thy name&#8221; so that those who read this will understand, remember and apply consistently what they read.<br />
Through the Blood of Jesus Christ we also bind up and destroy all their spirit-guides, helps, and shields of these workers of evil, and leave them without any strength &#8211; stripped of their evil power and influence.<br />
In the name of Jesus Christ, and by the Blood of the Lamb, we now seal up their powers within themselves, so that they cannot use them on anyone, and that their works might be destroyed, in the hope that their souls might be saved for the glory of God. AMEN.</p>
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		<title>By: Morninghawk</title>
		<link>http://hawkscry.org/2008/01/wiccan-ordination-and-ministry/comment-page-1/#comment-688</link>
		<dc:creator>Morninghawk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jul 2010 23:30:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is generally no charge for ordinations. Be highly skeptical of any groups that do charge for the ordination itself. Some groups give the ordination for free, but charge a small, nominal amount for a physical certificate (other than one you print yourself), which is ok.

As far as where to get the ordination, I suggest reading the post you just read (there are links to the Aquarian Tabernacle Church and Cherry Hill Seminary).

I also suggest reading my other article on ordination: &lt;a href=&quot;http://hawkscry.org/2010/04/wiccan-ordination-and-ministry-revisited/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Wiccan Ordination and Ministry Revisited&lt;/a&gt;. There is a link to the Universal Life Church there, along with more information.

Blessed be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is generally no charge for ordinations. Be highly skeptical of any groups that do charge for the ordination itself. Some groups give the ordination for free, but charge a small, nominal amount for a physical certificate (other than one you print yourself), which is ok.</p>
<p>As far as where to get the ordination, I suggest reading the post you just read (there are links to the Aquarian Tabernacle Church and Cherry Hill Seminary).</p>
<p>I also suggest reading my other article on ordination: <a href="http://hawkscry.org/2010/04/wiccan-ordination-and-ministry-revisited/" rel="nofollow">Wiccan Ordination and Ministry Revisited</a>. There is a link to the Universal Life Church there, along with more information.</p>
<p>Blessed be.</p>
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		<title>By: Edward Anderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Edward Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jul 2010 14:50:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was wondering if you could send me some information on how to become an ordained minister in the wiccan religion. and if there if a charge for such an ordination. Thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was wondering if you could send me some information on how to become an ordained minister in the wiccan religion. and if there if a charge for such an ordination. Thanks</p>
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		<title>By: Morninghawk</title>
		<link>http://hawkscry.org/2008/01/wiccan-ordination-and-ministry/comment-page-1/#comment-670</link>
		<dc:creator>Morninghawk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Apr 2010 17:27:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unfortunately, I don&#039;t know anyone in Missouri. Do they require a local, in-state organization, or can it be an out-of-state organization? If it can be out-of-state, then ULC should be able to help or another similar organization like the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sevenplanes.org/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Church of Seven Planes&lt;/a&gt;. For a small fee, ULC can make you a hand-signature certificate, etc. A lot of it depends on the wording of the laws and procedures in Missouri, of which I&#039;m not familiar.

If you have questions, one great resource for information can be the local government clerk. If you ask very nicely and politely, they might give you information, such as how to do it with ULC, etc. I&#039;ve found some clerks are very willing to help while others are not, so if you get one who doesn&#039;t want to help, just call back or visit another time to get someone else.

Hope that helps.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately, I don&#8217;t know anyone in Missouri. Do they require a local, in-state organization, or can it be an out-of-state organization? If it can be out-of-state, then ULC should be able to help or another similar organization like the <a href="http://www.sevenplanes.org/" rel="nofollow">Church of Seven Planes</a>. For a small fee, ULC can make you a hand-signature certificate, etc. A lot of it depends on the wording of the laws and procedures in Missouri, of which I&#8217;m not familiar.</p>
<p>If you have questions, one great resource for information can be the local government clerk. If you ask very nicely and politely, they might give you information, such as how to do it with ULC, etc. I&#8217;ve found some clerks are very willing to help while others are not, so if you get one who doesn&#8217;t want to help, just call back or visit another time to get someone else.</p>
<p>Hope that helps.</p>
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		<title>By: Nikki</title>
		<link>http://hawkscry.org/2008/01/wiccan-ordination-and-ministry/comment-page-1/#comment-669</link>
		<dc:creator>Nikki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Mar 2010 10:08:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, I&#039;m really glad that I found this. I have been seriously considering ordination. I did accually do the ULC thing once. Printed out the piece of paper and was ready to get that wheel rolling.... Then I researched Missouri Ordination laws. If you can tell me, in this state, what is the process I should begin to become recognized if there is no organization in the area from which I can recieve a letter of good standing? And if there were, I would do whatever it took!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, I&#8217;m really glad that I found this. I have been seriously considering ordination. I did accually do the ULC thing once. Printed out the piece of paper and was ready to get that wheel rolling&#8230;. Then I researched Missouri Ordination laws. If you can tell me, in this state, what is the process I should begin to become recognized if there is no organization in the area from which I can recieve a letter of good standing? And if there were, I would do whatever it took!</p>
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