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		<title>By: Morninghawk</title>
		<link>http://hawkscry.org/2007/12/serving-the-gods/comment-page-1/#comment-264</link>
		<dc:creator>Morninghawk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jan 2008 01:07:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, as I understand it, &quot;serving the Gods&quot; to you is essentially performed through your journey toward enlightenment, or the Great Work as Hermeticists put it? If so, I can appreciate that.

I would put forth that all actions toward serving one&#039;s Gods (whichever They are, or however one perceives divinity) are steps along the path of enlightenment, as I believe that divinity wishes to help us along that path.

This would lead me to believe that the two of us are not very dissimilar in this respect. The difference is in how we perceive divinity. I wrote an article in August about &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.hawkscry.org/2007/08/26/do-you-believe-in-gods/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;different ways Pagans see divinity&lt;/a&gt;. From what I gather, you perceive Gods as metaphor of various aspects of ourselves, along with an essential unity in the universe, as in monism or panentheism.

If that assumption is correct, I can easily see your view on serving divinity.

Thanks for the interesting comments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, as I understand it, &#8220;serving the Gods&#8221; to you is essentially performed through your journey toward enlightenment, or the Great Work as Hermeticists put it? If so, I can appreciate that.</p>
<p>I would put forth that all actions toward serving one&#8217;s Gods (whichever They are, or however one perceives divinity) are steps along the path of enlightenment, as I believe that divinity wishes to help us along that path.</p>
<p>This would lead me to believe that the two of us are not very dissimilar in this respect. The difference is in how we perceive divinity. I wrote an article in August about <a href="http://www.hawkscry.org/2007/08/26/do-you-believe-in-gods/" rel="nofollow">different ways Pagans see divinity</a>. From what I gather, you perceive Gods as metaphor of various aspects of ourselves, along with an essential unity in the universe, as in monism or panentheism.</p>
<p>If that assumption is correct, I can easily see your view on serving divinity.</p>
<p>Thanks for the interesting comments.</p>
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		<title>By: Lady ElderCraft</title>
		<link>http://hawkscry.org/2007/12/serving-the-gods/comment-page-1/#comment-259</link>
		<dc:creator>Lady ElderCraft</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Dec 2007 15:42:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh yes..I can see how the statement maybe alittle general, what with all the personal understandings of what &quot;fate&quot; is and how it interacts with us, thank you for giving me the op to explain futher into this. I agree with you completely, that fate, or rather, a facet of fate is that which is conveyed into our lives and surroundings by what we decide, act and think.

But I understand this as the smaller and more obvious interactions with fate in our lives.

Its a curious and long winded subject, and deserves to be so, and i will try my best to explain my veiw of it here...

I understand fate as you explained, in it being similar to the law of cause and effect.. the cause being our actions, thoughts and intended purpose, and the effect being &#039;conceptual fate&#039; and/or consequencial result, that transforms as do we.

But I understand also that mankind has an ultimate purpose, and that is to transcend spiritually by experiencing a physical reality as just one of the many levels of reality mankind will &#039;spiritually endure&#039;. The earth plane is simply one of them. And with the ultimate goal of ascendance at the heart of every spirituality, be it through mysticism or occultism, it may almost suggest a common working towards a goal, on nearly every spiritual level.

That being said, I would suggest that my statement hints at the actuality that you may not be aware of what you were &quot;effected&quot;(what caused you) here on earth to do at this specific time and moment in accordance with the law of cause and effect and how it is a law that is prolonged and extends backwards into our anscetors generations and there actions, thoughts, and decisions. And with this better understanding of the interplay of the laws of cause and effect, your decisions, actions and thoughts will not always be incontrol of where your life leads you. Should your &quot;effect&quot; and anothers &quot;effect&quot; be intertwinded in this existance, or the next, due to the nature of the &quot;effect&quot;(think about the butterfly effect, and how anothers action in another time and place may effect you directly or in this case, indirectly.) part of the law, one could perceive that as fate, in the traditoinal and common sense of the term.

Fate may also be perceived as the phenomenon between a twin-flame and soul-mate, who&#039;s love or friendship or even hatred towards each other is &#039;conceived&#039; in every life lived... and so maybe seen veiwed in the traditional and common understanding of what fate means.

Fate can also be concepted through the understanding of reincarnation and karma, and the path to nirvana expressed through the mysticism of buddhism... And also the understanding of time and quatum physics, and how time is a continuum, regardless of our minimal concept of it.

It has many facets, and faces, and dynamics that allow it to express to us in many ways. But in the understanding of  common spiritual growth, and the work towards it both by us as spiritual beings, and by the spiritual beings that transcended consciousnes, that work to influence and inspire man toward higher spiritually.

The actuality of it is, so many people are making decisions, taking actions and having thoughts that they all will eventually intertwine and become subject to the law of cause and effect.

Ultimately we are the gods and goddesses of our universes... crafting it for ourselves and others(this is where the actualization of the group-mind or consciousness becomes evident)... and such is the reason of the law of three and the then the law of &quot;do as ye wilt&quot;.

ElderCraftGuild

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh yes..I can see how the statement maybe alittle general, what with all the personal understandings of what &#8220;fate&#8221; is and how it interacts with us, thank you for giving me the op to explain futher into this. I agree with you completely, that fate, or rather, a facet of fate is that which is conveyed into our lives and surroundings by what we decide, act and think.</p>
<p>But I understand this as the smaller and more obvious interactions with fate in our lives.</p>
<p>Its a curious and long winded subject, and deserves to be so, and i will try my best to explain my veiw of it here&#8230;</p>
<p>I understand fate as you explained, in it being similar to the law of cause and effect.. the cause being our actions, thoughts and intended purpose, and the effect being &#8216;conceptual fate&#8217; and/or consequencial result, that transforms as do we.</p>
<p>But I understand also that mankind has an ultimate purpose, and that is to transcend spiritually by experiencing a physical reality as just one of the many levels of reality mankind will &#8216;spiritually endure&#8217;. The earth plane is simply one of them. And with the ultimate goal of ascendance at the heart of every spirituality, be it through mysticism or occultism, it may almost suggest a common working towards a goal, on nearly every spiritual level.</p>
<p>That being said, I would suggest that my statement hints at the actuality that you may not be aware of what you were &#8220;effected&#8221;(what caused you) here on earth to do at this specific time and moment in accordance with the law of cause and effect and how it is a law that is prolonged and extends backwards into our anscetors generations and there actions, thoughts, and decisions. And with this better understanding of the interplay of the laws of cause and effect, your decisions, actions and thoughts will not always be incontrol of where your life leads you. Should your &#8220;effect&#8221; and anothers &#8220;effect&#8221; be intertwinded in this existance, or the next, due to the nature of the &#8220;effect&#8221;(think about the butterfly effect, and how anothers action in another time and place may effect you directly or in this case, indirectly.) part of the law, one could perceive that as fate, in the traditoinal and common sense of the term.</p>
<p>Fate may also be perceived as the phenomenon between a twin-flame and soul-mate, who&#8217;s love or friendship or even hatred towards each other is &#8216;conceived&#8217; in every life lived&#8230; and so maybe seen veiwed in the traditional and common understanding of what fate means.</p>
<p>Fate can also be concepted through the understanding of reincarnation and karma, and the path to nirvana expressed through the mysticism of buddhism&#8230; And also the understanding of time and quatum physics, and how time is a continuum, regardless of our minimal concept of it.</p>
<p>It has many facets, and faces, and dynamics that allow it to express to us in many ways. But in the understanding of  common spiritual growth, and the work towards it both by us as spiritual beings, and by the spiritual beings that transcended consciousnes, that work to influence and inspire man toward higher spiritually.</p>
<p>The actuality of it is, so many people are making decisions, taking actions and having thoughts that they all will eventually intertwine and become subject to the law of cause and effect.</p>
<p>Ultimately we are the gods and goddesses of our universes&#8230; crafting it for ourselves and others(this is where the actualization of the group-mind or consciousness becomes evident)&#8230; and such is the reason of the law of three and the then the law of &#8220;do as ye wilt&#8221;.</p>
<p>ElderCraftGuild</p>
<p><a href="http://www.eldercraftguild.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.eldercraftguild.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Morninghawk</title>
		<link>http://hawkscry.org/2007/12/serving-the-gods/comment-page-1/#comment-256</link>
		<dc:creator>Morninghawk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Dec 2007 23:50:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>M. Ashley:

The Gods know what your will is. When you dedicate to serving a God or Goddess, you are not making yourself Their slave. They don&#039;t ask you to do anything that is contradictory to your true will. Over time, however, your true will may change in alignment with the deities you serve. This is why it is important to choose which deity (if any) you serve.

Additionally, you always retain the right (and responsibility) to refuse any request that is not in accordance with your will. This is true for requests by other people and from deities.

Thanks for the comment.


Lady ElderCraft:

This is a good perspective. It is nice to hear from people with other perspectives.

I have a question about one of your statements. You wrote, &quot;The path through deitic worship, is one that will lead you to embody and grow into what fate intends you to be.&quot; What do you see the nature of fate is in this case? Is it something that is an inherent, impersonal force in the universe? Or do you see it as some aspect of ourselves? What do you think the source of fate is?

I tend to see fate as simply a series of impersonal consequences that result from our actions, inactions and choices. I get the sense you see it differently and would be interested in learning how you see it.

Thanks for such a thoughtful comment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>M. Ashley:</p>
<p>The Gods know what your will is. When you dedicate to serving a God or Goddess, you are not making yourself Their slave. They don&#8217;t ask you to do anything that is contradictory to your true will. Over time, however, your true will may change in alignment with the deities you serve. This is why it is important to choose which deity (if any) you serve.</p>
<p>Additionally, you always retain the right (and responsibility) to refuse any request that is not in accordance with your will. This is true for requests by other people and from deities.</p>
<p>Thanks for the comment.</p>
<p>Lady ElderCraft:</p>
<p>This is a good perspective. It is nice to hear from people with other perspectives.</p>
<p>I have a question about one of your statements. You wrote, &#8220;The path through deitic worship, is one that will lead you to embody and grow into what fate intends you to be.&#8221; What do you see the nature of fate is in this case? Is it something that is an inherent, impersonal force in the universe? Or do you see it as some aspect of ourselves? What do you think the source of fate is?</p>
<p>I tend to see fate as simply a series of impersonal consequences that result from our actions, inactions and choices. I get the sense you see it differently and would be interested in learning how you see it.</p>
<p>Thanks for such a thoughtful comment.</p>
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		<title>By: Lady ElderCraft</title>
		<link>http://hawkscry.org/2007/12/serving-the-gods/comment-page-1/#comment-254</link>
		<dc:creator>Lady ElderCraft</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Dec 2007 07:47:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wow... another excellent post!

However, i would like to raise another P.O.V..

While the common understanding of deitic forces is thought of as something above us,  without us, or in a higher dominion than us, I would like to interject this veiw.

Devotion to a deity and its attributions/personifications/expressions is a pratise of the ancient mage and wisewomen.

It is a higher initiation that is birthed to you by your inner knowing, and it is a time when your spirit has chosen to delve deeper into the &#039;becomming of you&#039; and who you are borned to be... the ultimate goal of any occultic path... 

&quot;Become who you are born to be&quot;.(think deeply about this)

The path through deitic worship, is one that will lead you to embody and grow into what fate intends you to be. As deities pass into, and out of our lives, we inherit the personifications of that deity, through the honor and worship of these forces within ourselves.

The lesson of deity is ultimate. It shows us our higher-selves and teaches us a higher consciousness that may NEVER EVER be abandoned regardless of any disallusion, lack of rationale, or disruptive emotion.(i.e;you are forever aware of your actions and their consequence)

The path of deity will find you working toward finding and awakening deity within yourself.

Deity, in the spiritual-mental sense, is our highest consciousness, embodied into examples. These examples are the beings we attribute the higher-consciousness to... the gods and goddesses of the worlds pantheons.

Each of them represent a facet of humanity and/or nature and how they are tightly interwoven in the web of life.

To understand deity, and to know deity within yourself, is to ultimately become deity, and personify your very own and unique deitic force.

ElderCraftGuild

www.eldercraftguild.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wow&#8230; another excellent post!</p>
<p>However, i would like to raise another P.O.V..</p>
<p>While the common understanding of deitic forces is thought of as something above us,  without us, or in a higher dominion than us, I would like to interject this veiw.</p>
<p>Devotion to a deity and its attributions/personifications/expressions is a pratise of the ancient mage and wisewomen.</p>
<p>It is a higher initiation that is birthed to you by your inner knowing, and it is a time when your spirit has chosen to delve deeper into the &#8216;becomming of you&#8217; and who you are borned to be&#8230; the ultimate goal of any occultic path&#8230; </p>
<p>&#8220;Become who you are born to be&#8221;.(think deeply about this)</p>
<p>The path through deitic worship, is one that will lead you to embody and grow into what fate intends you to be. As deities pass into, and out of our lives, we inherit the personifications of that deity, through the honor and worship of these forces within ourselves.</p>
<p>The lesson of deity is ultimate. It shows us our higher-selves and teaches us a higher consciousness that may NEVER EVER be abandoned regardless of any disallusion, lack of rationale, or disruptive emotion.(i.e;you are forever aware of your actions and their consequence)</p>
<p>The path of deity will find you working toward finding and awakening deity within yourself.</p>
<p>Deity, in the spiritual-mental sense, is our highest consciousness, embodied into examples. These examples are the beings we attribute the higher-consciousness to&#8230; the gods and goddesses of the worlds pantheons.</p>
<p>Each of them represent a facet of humanity and/or nature and how they are tightly interwoven in the web of life.</p>
<p>To understand deity, and to know deity within yourself, is to ultimately become deity, and personify your very own and unique deitic force.</p>
<p>ElderCraftGuild</p>
<p><a href="http://www.eldercraftguild.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.eldercraftguild.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: M. Ashley</title>
		<link>http://hawkscry.org/2007/12/serving-the-gods/comment-page-1/#comment-251</link>
		<dc:creator>M. Ashley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Dec 2007 04:03:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This post, like all good reading, set my mind reeling with questions and possibilities. I started to wonder whether there is a right or wrong way to devote yourself to serving your gods. Should you say at the outset that you dedicate yourself to serving them as long as what they ask of you does not violate your own will, or should you seek to align your will with theirs? Does putting a caveat of that kind lessen the level of devotion to your gods or show your strength of spirit? Does the reaction from your Gods depend on the specific God with whom you are communing?

Much to consider. Thank you truly for such a warm, wise and provocative post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This post, like all good reading, set my mind reeling with questions and possibilities. I started to wonder whether there is a right or wrong way to devote yourself to serving your gods. Should you say at the outset that you dedicate yourself to serving them as long as what they ask of you does not violate your own will, or should you seek to align your will with theirs? Does putting a caveat of that kind lessen the level of devotion to your gods or show your strength of spirit? Does the reaction from your Gods depend on the specific God with whom you are communing?</p>
<p>Much to consider. Thank you truly for such a warm, wise and provocative post.</p>
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		<title>By: Morninghawk</title>
		<link>http://hawkscry.org/2007/12/serving-the-gods/comment-page-1/#comment-244</link>
		<dc:creator>Morninghawk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 00:31:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is a beautiful story. Thanks for sharing it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is a beautiful story. Thanks for sharing it.</p>
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		<title>By: Victoria</title>
		<link>http://hawkscry.org/2007/12/serving-the-gods/comment-page-1/#comment-243</link>
		<dc:creator>Victoria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Dec 2007 17:11:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am Catholic, but raised by a Baptist father.  Modern witchcraft has been one of my interests as well, and based on love, I understand and get what you are trying to say.  I wanted to share with you that my father, who has passed a few years back, came to me in a dream and said, &quot;Yes, there are many gods, but remember only One died for you.&quot;
I woke up, had a hard cry of gratefulness and felt better about my path.  I judge no one.
I know very little. Just wanted to share my experience.
Peace be with you always, and thank you for your work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am Catholic, but raised by a Baptist father.  Modern witchcraft has been one of my interests as well, and based on love, I understand and get what you are trying to say.  I wanted to share with you that my father, who has passed a few years back, came to me in a dream and said, &#8220;Yes, there are many gods, but remember only One died for you.&#8221;<br />
I woke up, had a hard cry of gratefulness and felt better about my path.  I judge no one.<br />
I know very little. Just wanted to share my experience.<br />
Peace be with you always, and thank you for your work.</p>
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		<title>By: Morninghawk</title>
		<link>http://hawkscry.org/2007/12/serving-the-gods/comment-page-1/#comment-241</link>
		<dc:creator>Morninghawk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 16:02:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Everyone walks a different path, even if they are from the same tradition. For some, that path involves serving the Gods. For others, it does not. The Gods will let you know what your path entails as you walk it. The important thing is to keep in touch with your will, your path and your Gods.

Thanks for the comment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everyone walks a different path, even if they are from the same tradition. For some, that path involves serving the Gods. For others, it does not. The Gods will let you know what your path entails as you walk it. The important thing is to keep in touch with your will, your path and your Gods.</p>
<p>Thanks for the comment.</p>
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		<title>By: Livia</title>
		<link>http://hawkscry.org/2007/12/serving-the-gods/comment-page-1/#comment-239</link>
		<dc:creator>Livia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 04:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are quite right to point out that not everyone is called to serve as opposed to worship/receive instruction from.  I am drawn to several deities but have not received a call to serve Them.  I envision that I may feel this in a later stage in life but for now They know I can best benefit from learning lessons from Them.  Very nice post, as always.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are quite right to point out that not everyone is called to serve as opposed to worship/receive instruction from.  I am drawn to several deities but have not received a call to serve Them.  I envision that I may feel this in a later stage in life but for now They know I can best benefit from learning lessons from Them.  Very nice post, as always.</p>
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		<title>By: Morninghawk</title>
		<link>http://hawkscry.org/2007/12/serving-the-gods/comment-page-1/#comment-237</link>
		<dc:creator>Morninghawk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2007 02:38:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks. I&#039;m glad you like it.</description>
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